FanArt: Sailor Moon: Fatty Mercury!

No, I think you may have misunderstood me. When I put 'Asian diet' I meant, 'Asian diet' as in Korea, Japan, China, etc. I am very aware of sumo wrestlers, but they eat MUCH more then the average person in order to get and keep that weight. And for what you said to Meow, I think her plea was to not overeat if you have a naturally slim body (for fear of being called anorexic), and that if you're obese and at a RISK of having a heart attack, get in shape, as in lose the risk. In case you have forgotten, people who are obese have a much higher chance of dying young then those who are not. And while muscle weighs more, it gives you less bulk. Many experts are now recomending to judge your health by inch size, not weight. And I'm very sure that you'd agree that the 8-year-old kids who wear 150 pounds are NOT healthy.Okay, Cass, let's have a lesson, shall we?

Your main points:
1. Amy's on an Asian diet.
2. Get in shape if you're at risk of a heart attack.
3. Muscle weighs more than fat.
4. 150lb 8 year-olds are not healthy.

Sit and learn, Cass.

1. There is no such thing as an "Asian diet." Your use of this term is an attempt to sound PC, but instead you simply expose your ignorance. If you're going to tell me that you honestly believe that, traditionally speaking, Japanese eat fatatah, Chinese eat wasabi, Koreans eat balut, and the Vietnamese eat kim-chee, then you are a moron. If you're going to say, "well, GENERALLY speaking, all Asians have a similar diet," you're also wrong there. Each country has its own cultural heritage, language, clothing, society, and yes, diet. If you think that just because they all eat rice then that quantifies them having some kind of "Asian diet," then you're saying that those in Central and South America, Africa, and the Middle East all have an "Asian diet." Rice is one of the most, if not the most, widely consumed food. So NO, Amy is NOT on an "Asian diet" because an Asian diet does not exist.
2. You want an obese person to "get in shape" if at risk of a heart attack. Good suggestion, except up to 60% of heart attacks occur in people with healthy cholesterol levels. In addition, thin does not mean healthy, and I'm not talking about anorexic/bulimic people (that's obvious), but simply because if you are naturally thin, that does not mean you are "healthy" by any form of the word. In addition, you can have upwards of 25-30% bodyfat as a thin person! How healthy is that? Thin does not mean healthy, even "natural thinness." Everyone needs to exercise, everyone needs to do at least some form of stretching and iso/plyometrics, and if their body is not injured then they should also be doing cardio and some kind of resistance training. Thin isn't healthy, fat instead healthy. A healthy person who eats well and exercises at least 4 days a week is healthy. Fat or thin, as long as you eat healthy and exercise, you are healthy. End of story.
3. Muscle does not weigh more than fat. Muscle is denser than fat. What you're saying is that 1lb of muscle does not equal 1lb of fat because "muscle weighs more," and that's just retarded. 1lb = 1lb.
4. This is your attempt to get me to agree with you. You have realized that I know significantly more than you do on this subject, so you're throwing out an outrageous example you know I'm going to agree with in hopes that we can "agree to disagree, but at least agree on one thing =^_^="

In addition, my comment board is NOT the place for you to be trying to have this discussion. If you are interested in having a discussion about nutritional anthropology, the diets of many cultures and the evolution thereof, or if you'd like to tell me your goals and have me write you up a diet and exercise plan (and if you do want me to do this, email me at strawberryriddick@gmail.com, I am happy to help), that should be done through email. A comment board is to comment on the picture, not to show off how little you know about the body, health, and other cultures.

In short, you feel it's necessary to have a conversation about something you know virtually nothing about, when in reality there's no need because - get this - THIS IS JUST FANART FROM A STUPID CARTOON. I'm not pushing a fat lifestyle anymore than virtually every other artist pushes a thin lifestyle. You are just mad because you like Sailor Moon and can't get over it. You may possibly be argumentative and just want to banter for the fun of it...and if that's the case, you need to bring more knowledge to the table. Hopefully this wall of text will encourage you to do more research.

alright so ive read more of your ignorant replies. so you say that being fat isnt healthy...being thin isnt healthy...and being muscular isnt healthy....and healthy is healthy. so WHAT IS HEALTHY may i ask. you really have lost this battle. yes your drawing is great for what it is...but your arguements are poor.

and for anyone else reading this, yes i know that this is her picture and her idea, and thats just great and dandy, but i dont think promoting something that has no backup is good for the world.

so "L.Mitchell" are you a body trainer? a food consultant? i dont think you are as you wouldve mentioned that already. fat is fat. may i have you know that obesity is the second leading killer of humans in america. and your little rant about fat weighing equal to muscle? WHY DO YOU THINK TRAINERS TELL THEIR CLIENTS NOT TO USE A SCALE. because as fat is lost, muscle is gained and it does weigh more in the bulk that it comes. wow, really you need to do some more research before you go bashing people on what they feel is best for the human body. aka......STOP PROMOTING OVERWEIGHT HUMANS!!!!!!! TEXT WALL ALERT!! I hope you take the time to read it...after all, folks like Cass take the time to actually keep coming back here all the time, so both of you, do yourselves a favor.


 Actually, I was a weight lifter, and like anything I do, I did an excessive amount of research. But you're not a food consultant (that would be a "nutritionist") or personal trainer, so that's a moot point you brought up.

"and your little rant about fat weighing equal to muscle? WHY DO YOU THINK TRAINERS TELL THEIR CLIENTS NOT TO USE A SCALE." That is my favorite quote here, because you are honestly trying to tell me that 1lb of something does not equal 1lb of something else. They tell them to not use a scale because it can be deceiving, not only because of muscle but because of things like water weight, or if you don't weigh yourself at the same time every day (this does affect it). If you honestly think that ONE POUND does not equal ONE POUND, then you have bigger issues with intellect than you're trying to label me with. You claim that I don't know what I'm talking about when you honestly believe: that
a) 1lb of A is heavier than 1lb of B
b) Exercise for health is bs, but admit that you and your dancer friends are healthy because you exercise.

Honestly, Shawna, you're just looking for an argument. I know some people are naturally thin, I never said they weren't. And I'm not sure why you disagree with me. I said that to be healthy, you need to be healthy by having a good diet and regular exercise, not just by being a specific body type. Then you come in here saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, that you are healthy because you have a good diet and regular exercise. All that you're doing is proving that know exactly what I'm talking about.



***Let's use your body type for an example in what I'm trying to say, shall we? You said no matter what, you can't gain weight, even before you were dancing. You are naturally thin. Now, you tell me, if all you did was eat candy and fried foods, sat on the couch all day, smoked two packs of cigarettes and drank a 12 pack every day, would you be healthy? You'd still be thin, but would you be healthy? No.
---That is what I'm saying: just because your body is naturally (or unnaturally) a certain way, that does not automatically mean you are healthy.---
That's all I am, and ever was, saying.***

(Hopefully, all the extras here will get you guys to actually pay attention to this paragraph)




"STOP PROMOTING OVERWEIGHT HUMANS!!!!!!!" Show me where I do that. That's one thing I kept asking of Cass, to show me where I was promoting a body type rather than health. Hopefully, my example with your body will shine some light on these angry little posts of yours.


Why can't you two understand that drawing a picture doesn't promote anything, that I'm promoting people's personal health (proper diet and exercise), and saying that healthy can thusly come in all sizes...that I'm not promoting a body type? Don't you realize that it's dangerous to try and convince people that one dress size is the key to health? Health comes in many dress sizes, it's getting your body at a balance it's comfortable with! I have seen fat, thin, and muscular people do physically better than me, and also physically worse than me. I have outran skinny guys, muscular guys, and fat guys, and have been outrun by skinny, muscular, and fat people. It's all your personal fitness level and has nothing nothing nothing to do with your body type! I've outlifted skinny, fat, and muscular people, and have been outlifted by skinny, fat, and muscular people! It's your BODY, it's how your BODY WORKS. It has little to do with your waistline! Is there a correlation? Yes, but on a personal level there is a correlation, not one a grand scale. A size 0 might be healthy for your body, but not mine, and a size 16 might be healthy for Cass's body but not mine. One of you would be thinner than me, one of you would be fatter, but if you're both healthy, then your size means very little (unless you have low self-esteem).
I really don't understand why this is so hard for you to get...unless you're both teenagers and trying to "help" people by thinning them out because you think that's the way to happiness. My sister went through a phase like that, and honestly, that's the only way I can possibly explain your illogical, thoughtless, rants. When you two grow up, maybe you'll learn a little more about the human body, about homeostasis (it explains why yo-yo diets don't work), about life. About body type versus body image. About all that. Plenty of people come into an understanding about it, and my guess is just that you two haven't yet. Well, I can't fault you, your frontal lobes (the area of the brain responsible for logical thought) haven't developed yet and won't until your early 20's.

Girls, your hearts are in the right place, but you don't have the facts to back up your understanding. This is why you're yelling so much, why you comment so much. You realize how foolish you look and want to try and save face. The only way you can do that is to admit you're wrong, but if you don't believe you're wrong you can save face by walking away. Like I said, your hearts are in the right place, you just don't have a proper grasp on the whole thing. I mean, Cass keeps saying I said something when I didn't, and when I ask her to show me she conveniently ignores it. She also believes that all Asians eat the same thing. Shawna, on the other hand, tries to prove me wrong by telling me her and her dancer friends do exactly what I say one must do to be healthy...but then says that exercise is BS, and keeps saying that she and her friends are healthy because they exercise.

i really think that you need a reality check. ive been tall and skinny my entire life. and to add to that im a DANCER. no, that does NOT mean that im anorexic because to have you know, i eat a lot. so to make to see, dancers work out a lot, so saying that people need exercise is completely bull. dancers exercise, stretch and do all the "good things" that we're supposed to do to our bodies. i dance every day of my life, and yes i do eat the proper things that balance that out. so a girl 5'2 who is 140lbs is not healthy because of her height. im not saying she is grossly obese or anything, but she is indeed fat. so please stop trying to convince smaller built people that we need to eat better. so I AM NATURALLY THIN. EVEN WHEN IM NOT DANCING IM STILL THIN (meaning mainly in the summer) so in response to your comment to Casszilla: YES NATURALLY THIN IS HEALTHY if theres nothing you can do about. ive tried many times to be the "normal" weight according to my height and its simply not possible. so please get off your little rant about weight since you clearly do not know enough about it to respond reasonably to your viewers!!!!!!!!!! This is my favorite part: "dancers work out a lot, so saying that people need exercise is completely bull"

So you're saying that you are healthy because you are a dancer, which means you exercise, and you're also saying that it's bull that people need to exercise.

In addition, I encourage you to read the last comment I left for Cass.

I've read them, and I can agree that some people can be fat and healthy, but you seem unable to see the point that some people can be THIN AND HEALTHY!!! And because muscle is denser, someone who is 150 pounds of muscle is generally healthier then someone who is 150 pounds of fat. I have several Asian friends who do sports (exercise), and not one is over 140 pounds, as you claim Ami to be in this picture. Some people CAN be that weight and healthy (Caucasian for example), but Asian women are generally tiny, and who are unhealthy at that weight. That's not research, that's observation. I never said being thin is unhealthy. I told you that just because a person is thin does not automatically mean they are healthy.

To meet your anecdote, yes, I have personally known fat Asians. However, you seem to completely forget that this is a picture. If 100% of Asians were under 110 pounds, I could still draw this picture. I really don't see the big deal.

Alright, fine, you win! World, be fat! Die at a young age because of an unhealthy heart! Be made fun of, don't strive for a healthy life, just be fat! I'd rather be healthy and NOT wear speicality made clothes, but yay, that's what I think. Be today's 'normal' and be fat and gross! Yes, I said that. I've tried to be nice, but I've had it! If common sense doesn't work for the world to be healthy, then I'll be more then welcome to be mean.  Wait, WHAT? You aren't even reading my replies, are you? You're holding onto some idiot idea, and now that you see that your first impression was 100% incorrect, you're going to continue to hold onto that idea to try and save face...because that's important on the internet. Serious business. Let me break this whole argument down for you:

You: "Fat is unhealthy!"
Me: "When did I say that it was healthy?"
You: "YOU WANT EVERYONE TO BE FAT!!"
Me: "It's just a picture. I never said that."
You: "I mean, fat is just unhealthy!"
Me: "Unhealthy is unhealthy. You can be fat and healthy. I prefer people lifted weights myself, but that's beside the point. Where did I say that everyone had to be fat?"
You: "AOISDJOSIDGNOSDFIJDLFSJOIJDSF FINE THINK THAT WAY SDFJSDFINJ!IJ!J!OIJ! :!O!!!"
Me: "..."


Let's break it down another way:


Fat != Healthy
Thin != Healthy
Muscular != Healthy
Healthy = Healthy

Do you understand that? Oh, the != means "doesn't equal" in case you didn't know. That's my argument: there is no one body type that defines health. There are some that are, on average, healthier than others, but even then it's neither fat or thin, it's muscular (not the crazy bodybuilder muscular) and flexible. All body types, depending on how they have been achieved, can be healthy...that does not mean they are always or usually healthy.

Did that get through your head at all? Have you paid attention to anything I've been saying about the body, health, exercise, diet...or do you still think I'm trying to stuff KFC down your throat?

Cass, honey, just email me at strawberryriddick@gmail.com and I'll tell you more about physiology than you cared to know.

Don't call me Cass. That is a nickname only reserved for my friends.

I originally said "I'm not sure if this would count as healthy. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a good drawing, but for Ami, it's not healthy. She was created to be a thin girl, so for her to be this big would be unhealthy for her." She's 5'2", Japanese build, and shouldn't weigh more then 120lbs. Sumo wrestlers are in horrible shape and often have to retire at a 'young' age due to poor health. On SOME people being 140+lbs would be healthy, but not Ami.

And also, I've read your rantings about how you say people never compliment your drawing and just bash it. Your drawing has wonderful shading and proportion, and I applaude you as an artist, but don't make Shawna and I out to be bad guys just because we say things YOU don't like. Yes, a pound of fat weighs the same as a pound of muscle, but because muscle is denser, as YOU pointed out, you need less of it to get the said pound. It is because of THIS reason that trainers are saying that if you weigh X amount, use a tape measure as well. You could be X amount and 35 inches of fat, or X amount and 20 inches of muscle. THAT'S becoming today's standard in terms of health.  I suppose therein lies the problem, and it's not just you and Shawna. I'm not sure exactly what makes some people think I'm trying to push that Ami should be fat, or that people should be fat, just because of this picture. Have you seen my Sailor Moon picture where she has a third arm? No one's claiming I think we should all be mutated freaks. Same thing with Karen (sci-fi/fantasy gallery). She has 4 arms, and is also pregnant, and is also white trash...that doesn't mean that I'm telling people the only way to be is a genetically engineered, pregant, white trash, redheaded woman.

This picture is just a picture. There is nothing to look into here. I personally don't care if Ami, a completely fictional cartoon character, is "naturally" supposed to be one way or the other...I drew her this way in this drawing. That's it. There is no symbolism, I'm not making a statement any which way. I'm not encouraging fat, encouraging thin, encouraging anything with this picture (I encourage a healthy lifestyle with my replies, but not the picture itself). The picture is merely a picture.

I think that should cover it. I'm not pushing anything with this picture, and Ami's a fictional character anyway so does it really matter? That's the fun of fanart, you can create something that wouldn't, shouldn't, or cannot be!

ew... yes, some people really can't help they are fat. but, like 90% of people are like that because they sit on their arses and eat tastey cakes all friggin day. HAVE VERY POOR DIET AND DON'T WORK OFF ANY OF THE CALORIES. thats america for ya, well health wise anyways. people consider me one of the lucky ones cause i have a slender frame, but there is no secret jus eat healthy and get off ya lazy arses and break this gross and nasty cycle!!!!! nice pic though, its like the american version...   The "American version?" I like that


"but there is no secret jus eat healthy and get off ya lazy arses and break this gross and nasty cycle"
I'm totally with you here! I used to be unhealthy, and I used to weigh like 220 pounds. I have lost a lot of weight through good diet and exercise, which included a lot of weight lifting. When I tell people how much I used to weigh, they say, "Oh my gosh! No way! What's your secret?!?!" And I just look at them all confused, "Uh...diet and exercise...there's no secret." And you know what? They get disappointed. So you see this woman in front of you who went from a size 20 to a size 4/6, you want to do the same, she tells you how, and you get disappointed?


Well, Rockaaa Chick, kudos to you for your work towards keeping a healthy body, and that you didn't take the picture seriously!

Perhaps you are focussing to much on your fat thing then your drawing - the picture itself it nicely done (shading and shaping) but ramming your pro-fat ideas down people's throats isnt doing anyone any favours!it detracts from your skill - i myself am not fat but im not thin there can be an inbetween, big girls can be beautiful and thin girls can be healthy. could eveyone stop arguing and focus on the art please?
sorry
xI'm always surprised when people argue on the pictures, and am even more surprised when they're just pulling ideas out of thin air even when my comments expressly describe otherwise. Never, not once, did I comment on being "pro-fat," and yet all the arguments above (and unfortunately on here) are still under that impression. Not sure how...

Oh well, thank you - thank you - for actually commenting on the picture. It's been far too long since someone's done that!

How does her feet work? And why is her face so ugly? I don’t get it...

L. Mitchell replies: "You mentioned the "sexiness" of including a helmet, and now you’re saying she looks ugly. I’m not sure why you’re expecting all the things someone draws to be attractive..."

Personally, I don’t get why there even is an argument about body type/health and in depth explanations of physiology? Granted I didn’t read all the comments (I’m not sitting here to read 9 pages worth of discussion)... I WILL comment on the picture though and say that I think it’s hilarious to draw the sailor scouts with a little extra poundage on them. What a crazy idea, one I haven’t ever seen before - keep on it, girl, haha, they’re great! Fat Amy rocks!

L. Mitchell replies: "I am the same way. I don’t think that this picture needed all those comments, but at some point, I had to step in and school these gals up. To save you a lot of time, they were saying that this picture was my attempt to encourage people to be fat and unhealthy, and I was explaining that weight does not determine your health, and that simply by drawing a picture, I’m not encouraging or condoning anything (you should see my cannibal pictures).

Interestingly, it’s all these negative comments that have encouraged me to continue to draw the rest of the Sailor Scouts in a more rotund fashion. I recently uploaded Sailor Mars if you are interested.

Thanks for stopping by!"