Ah. *breathes out hard* A weight off my shoulders. I have sooo been meaning to revitalize this one, and the end result is before you. I like it so much better now. See, before I posted the original, I knew I wasnt satisfied with him. So, a bunch of selections and numerous filters in Paintshop later, I am proud to say that my Ogre is finished. *looks at watch* and it only took me a full frigglin year! *curtseys* thank you. thank you... UPDATE: I got so much feedback on my revisitation of the ogre papa that I figured out what needed to be done and did it. Hence, I give you the Ogre Papa with his original rough skin.