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"Fair and Square" by LZ Draegeth

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'I don't care what the deal was, my wife is not giving you a foot massage!'

25 Nov 2004:-) Rian Sanderse
They are soo cool! I love the armour, it looks sooo real!
Love Rian

12 LZ Draegeth replies: "Thank you! Although as others have pointed out, the armor should be bulkier. "
28 Nov 2004:-) Timothy Kou
Nice addition to the gallery. Their expressions are quite convincing. Again, your pencil work it right where it should be. The contrasts are high, and the subject is immediately recognizable. The composition of the piece is pretty good. I feel like I'm the bartender.

Just a couple of things that I noticed.

It's something that I haven't seen you done. Your body proportions have been really good on most of your other ones, but the arms in this one are a bit short. I agree with Edmond about the close fitting armour.

There was one composition issue that I just noticed too. The leaves in the far back above the character's head on the right. The seemed to be sitting on top of his head at first.

Besides all that, it looks really good, I think. I can see you spent alot of time on it. Keep it all up! I like your work alot. Cheers.

13 LZ Draegeth replies: "Heh, and here I thought I'd get a bunch of perspective criticisms about that god-awful corner behind Ambrith...but I'm glad the composition didn't bother you. The point about the armor, as I told Edmond, is well-taken. "
30 Nov 2004:-) Rian Sanderse
Haven't you seen a knights tale? His army isn't that bulky!
30 Nov 2004:-) Timothy Kou
Sorry for beeing ambiguous on the last entry. It was late. Byt let me be more specific on the arms.

The arms on a person will normally extend to the person's full height. Meaning, if I stuck my arms directly out, so to make a cross with my body, my armspan would be the same as my height.
In order for this to work the several sections of the arms need to be a certain length. From the shoulder to the elbow, the arm should extend to about where the waist bends, or slightly above. From the elbow to the wrists, the arm extends to about where the hip joint is. The extended fingers reach almost mid-thigh.

Here, without the armour, from shoulder to elbow is barely, if even, past mid rib-cage. It's only about the length of the faces. Too short. They need to be a shoulder longer. In proportion, the fore arm needs to be a wrist longer. We should be able to see Soreo's (correct name?) right hand extending past the glass in the foreground.

Like I said before. You don't get your proportions wrong too often. But we all make mistakes. Even when we know they're made, they seem to sneek up on us. But really good work! Mistakes never diminish the quality of the sketch itself in my opinion. Just the appearence. Well, keep it up. Cheers.

1 LZ Draegeth replies: "Timothy, as always, thanks for your excellent and detailed criticisms. I really appreciate it! I think what you're seeing is really a symptom of the same thing as what Edmond pointed out, actually, and that is the close-fitting armor. If you measure from the cap of the pauldron to the curve of the couter (without accounting for steel, cloth, etc), and then swing it perpendicular to the bar (since he has his elbow pointed back a bit), you'd find that his elbow would be right about lower-ribs, which is just where it should be. As for the forearm, keep in mind he's not earing gauntlets (see other hand), and he's mad! Fists clenched. The arm from shoulder to fingertips is only about three heads long -- the armspan=height measurement for men necessarily includes the chest.

I don't mean to argue with a criticism, because I love criticism and I want more of it! Don't stop! I only take issue with the arm length because, at least in Ambrith's case (he's the one on the left), I really worked it out. (Barto's were foreshortened.) I have unusually long arms myself and my husband always says I give everyone long arms. I may have overcompensated a bit -- but I think I'm still well within the range of normal arm length, it's just that darned armor that threw everything off.

As always, thanks for your generous and thoughtful comments. I'm looking forward to you posting more stuff so I can return the favor. 1"
3 Jul 200545 Angeldramaqueen
Did I just reference The Odessey, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and Star Wars in one post? Are you sure I should be commenting here? Well, maybe not at 4am, anyway...
3 Jul 200545 Angeldramaqueen
I love this one. The background is amazing. I love how that one limb of the tree has been accomodated so it can kind of grow through the wall. And I might be crazy, but wasn't there a mention of something like that in the Odessey? Where Odysseus' home had a huge tree growing in or through it or something? It's been so long since I've read, I don't remember. Anyway, the people in the background are great, too. I like that you offset the confrontation here and in the drawing of Zeke's with some level of activity behind. I like knowing how odd interactions influence the people around them, if they do at all... like when Ford Prefect starts telling Arthur that the world is going to get blown in up in HG2G, and everyone around overhears and thinks he's nuts. Also, the guy behind Ambrith has a helmet that looks suspiciously like Boba Fett's. Ummm... don't kill me? But after the Superman guy, I just had to point him out to see if it was intentional.

1 LZ Draegeth replies: "Hehe. Thanks for the comment. Re: the activity in the background, well, it was either draw a room full of people, or draw the back of the bar, which would be a bunch of straight lines and bottles. So naturally I chose the people. Re: the Boba Fett thing...nope, not an intentional reference, but I can guarantee you that George Lucas and I were pulling from the same medieval sources in designing helmets - in this case, the Italian barbute.

Re: the tree...this is supposed to be occuring in Silūvičn, the capital of an elven country, and they don't believe in cutting down trees for buildings, so it's perfectly normal to have trees going right through your house. It's very bad luck if the tree, or intruding branches, die."
3 Sep 200545 Manitor
Ditto comment about armor padding. The contrast between the two characters is prominent; youthful head-butting, but a disagreement that remains friendly at its core. The maid in the background is pleasant eye candy, but unfortunately these two block the way of getting to know her. Likewise, I wish I could get a swiveled look at the room; the trees through the walls, and hints of local character, come through strongly and I want to see more of this type of background in your work.
23 Sep 2005:-) Dawn D Davidson
Crikey, what a background. Why have I never noticed this particular pic? I'm not even going to critique it; just sit here and be part of the scenery. You've done an incredible job of displaying this interior. And as always, lovely pencil work.
22 Sep 2007:-) Lloyd Dennis Zacarias
Hehe... This is damn good and as the above comment I also was impressed at the background.
11 May 2012:-) Genalee Simon
Haha I like the idea. Seriously fantastic background! I love their expressions.
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'Fair and Square':
 • Created by: :-) LZ Draegeth
 • Copyright: ©LZ Draegeth. All rights reserved!

 • Keywords: Ale, Argument, Bar, Beer, Book, Graphite, Illustration, Inn, Knight, Knights, Man, Men, Paladin, Paladins, Pencil, Profile, Pub, Scene, Tavern
 • Categories: Man, Men, Warrior, Fighter, Mercenary, Knights, Paladins, Book Illustration
 • Techniques: Pencil/Graphite Pen
 • Submitted: 2004-11-18 06:23:57
 • Views: 995
 • Resolution: 820x634

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